There is no credit given, except for the photo, but I suspect this piece was written by Reuters as it is much too balanced for anything written by RT which I have accused of being antisemitic right on their own website.
The arguments on who's land Palestine is needs some scientific input, I believe, and I think I know how it can be achieved. Hebrew University should join a Palestinian university in a genetic research project. Thousands of random Palestinians and Jews should be asked for DNA samples and have those sample tested for historical heritage.
Palestinians would need to be researched back to 50, 100 and 150 years to determine where previous generations lived; Jews would need to be researched back to 2 and 3 thousand years.
There would be no need to use names, simply assign each candidate a number based on whether they are Jew or Palestinian. It would be a good idea to separate out Gazans from other Palestinians as I suspect many quite recently moved to Gaza. It was less than 20 years ago, I think, that Gaza was predominantly Christian, but now there are few Christians left on the strip. There may be many explanations for this but migration may be one of them.
There is a school of thought that 'Palestine' was largely devoid of Palestinians just 100 years ago. After WWI Muslims began immigrating to Palestine to fight the British who had overtaken the territory from the Ottomans. Even then the numbers were pitifully small. As a previous post suggests, had there been one million Palestinians in Palestine in 1920, or at the turn of the century, there would be 40 million Palestinians today, not 4 million. Consequently, the numbers must have been much, much less than one million.
It is believed by some that Gazans have their roots in Egypt, and West Bankers in Saudi Arabia, and virtually all have migrated in the past 100 years. Jewish roots go back thousands of years to when Abraham was given the land by God Himself. And, except for 400 years in Egypt, was Jewish settled until the diaspora in the century following the Crucifixion of Christ.
© Mohammed Salem / Reuters
Stressing that Tel Aviv has “no intention of starting a new war,” Israel's defense minister has vowed to seek the total destruction of Hamas if the militant group – which refuses to recognize the Jewish state – attempts to “impose” a conflict on Israel.
“As minister of defense, I would like to clarify that we have no intention of starting a new war against our neighbors in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, Lebanon, or Syria,” Avigdor Lieberman told Al-Quds daily.
However, he warned the Palestinian Sunni fundamentalist organization Hamas that if a conflict does erupt, Israel will be forced to protect itself.
“But in Gaza, like the Iranians, they intend to eliminate the state of Israel...if they impose the next war on Israel, it will be their last. I would like to emphasize again: It will be their last confrontation because we will completely destroy them.”
The last time Israel fought Hamas was in the seven-week Operation Protective Edge, in which 2,101 people died in the Gaza Strip. According to UN figures, at least 1,460 of those killed in Israeli air raids and ground operations were civilians. Israel lost 64 soldiers in the operation, in addition to seven civilians killed in Israel by rocket attacks.
Remember, Hamas fired rockets into Israel from school grounds, hospitals, and other civilian occupied facilities for the express purpose of drawing Israeli fire which they knew would result in civilian casualties. Hamas sacrificed over a thousand civilians, including children, for the sake of propaganda. They started the offence and then made themselves look like victims. That is typical Islamic terrorist propaganda.
Lieberman promised to lift the blockade on Gaza and help rebuild destroyed infrastructure if Hamas ceases its military activities against Israel.
“If Hamas stops digging tunnels, rearming and firing rockets, we will lift the blockade and build the port and airport by ourselves,” he said.
That sounds like an amazing deal! Why doesn't Hamas take them up on it? Why don't they test them on it, even for just a couple years while Israel is rebuilding Gaza's airport and seaport? The answer is obvious - Hamas does not want peace and prosperity for Gazans; they want death for Jews at whatever the cost. Two years of peace with Israel would be terrifying to Hamas - their under-the-table paychecks from Iran would stop, and the people might actually like peace and prosperity rather than the constant stream of hatred shoved down their throats by Hamas.
In response to the defense minister's statements, Hamas leader Fathi Hammad said the movement is “in no way afraid and this is a powerful message from Gaza to Lieberman,” AP reported.
Despite the relative calm between Hamas and Israel, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades – Hamas' military wing which has alleged ties to Iran – continues to carry out regular rocket attacks against southern Israel. While most of the projectiles fall in deserted areas, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) continues to retaliate against the attacks, striking Hamas targets in Gaza air raids.
Gaza and the West Bank, which are divided by the Israeli state, comprise of territories claimed by the Palestinians as the State of Palestine. While both territories fall under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, Gaza, unlike the West Bank, has been ruled by Hamas since June 2007, after the group came to power in free elections a year earlier.
'Free elections', right!
While Hamas hinders negotiations of a two-state solution by refusing to recognize Israel, the Palestinian Authority and its Fatah party are pushing for international recognition of the state of Palestine along the 1967 lines.
That is the 'pre-1967 6 day war' lines, 6 days before Israel was attacked on three sides by Muslims trying to annihilate the Jews for the second time in 20 years. Remember, Israel returned the entire Sinai Peninsula, an area twice the size of Israel, to Egypt. They proved that Egypt couldn't attack them from the Sinai, so they had no need of it. But Syria can attack Israel from the Golan Heights, and Jordan from the West Bank, so why would they surrender control over land they won in a war when it makes them much more vulnerable to attack? Have you ever heard of that before?
In his Monday interview, Lieberman said that a two-state solution to the conflict is possible based on land swaps – included in proposals earlier voiced as part of the solution to resolve the decades-old conflict. The defense minister also said he is critical of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
But when asked whether he is ready to negotiate with Hamas, Lieberman responded that there is nothing to discuss.
“I cannot speak with someone who declares every day that he hates me and threatens to destroy the state of Israel and drive us into the sea,” he said.
Meanwhile, the Palestinian foreign ministry accused Lieberman of spreading lies in order to continue Israeli occupation and settlements.
What lies is he referring to?
“Lieberman declares himself to be in favor of a two-state solution while taking pride in being a settler and legitimizing the continued building of settlements and the Judaization of the West Bank and East Jerusalem,” the ministry said in a statement, as quoted by Haaretz.
'Taking pride in'? Need I repeat, 'The defense minister also said he is critical of Israeli settlements in the West Bank'!
The ministry also accused Lieberman of “trying to explain away his carrot-and-stick policy with a web of lies that won’t be believed by the Palestinian people.”
Test him on it! Your biggest fear is that they will believe.
The arguments on who's land Palestine is needs some scientific input, I believe, and I think I know how it can be achieved. Hebrew University should join a Palestinian university in a genetic research project. Thousands of random Palestinians and Jews should be asked for DNA samples and have those sample tested for historical heritage.
Palestinians would need to be researched back to 50, 100 and 150 years to determine where previous generations lived; Jews would need to be researched back to 2 and 3 thousand years.
There would be no need to use names, simply assign each candidate a number based on whether they are Jew or Palestinian. It would be a good idea to separate out Gazans from other Palestinians as I suspect many quite recently moved to Gaza. It was less than 20 years ago, I think, that Gaza was predominantly Christian, but now there are few Christians left on the strip. There may be many explanations for this but migration may be one of them.
There is a school of thought that 'Palestine' was largely devoid of Palestinians just 100 years ago. After WWI Muslims began immigrating to Palestine to fight the British who had overtaken the territory from the Ottomans. Even then the numbers were pitifully small. As a previous post suggests, had there been one million Palestinians in Palestine in 1920, or at the turn of the century, there would be 40 million Palestinians today, not 4 million. Consequently, the numbers must have been much, much less than one million.
It is believed by some that Gazans have their roots in Egypt, and West Bankers in Saudi Arabia, and virtually all have migrated in the past 100 years. Jewish roots go back thousands of years to when Abraham was given the land by God Himself. And, except for 400 years in Egypt, was Jewish settled until the diaspora in the century following the Crucifixion of Christ.
Stressing that Tel Aviv has “no intention of starting a new war,” Israel's defense minister has vowed to seek the total destruction of Hamas if the militant group – which refuses to recognize the Jewish state – attempts to “impose” a conflict on Israel.
“As minister of defense, I would like to clarify that we have no intention of starting a new war against our neighbors in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, Lebanon, or Syria,” Avigdor Lieberman told Al-Quds daily.
However, he warned the Palestinian Sunni fundamentalist organization Hamas that if a conflict does erupt, Israel will be forced to protect itself.
“But in Gaza, like the Iranians, they intend to eliminate the state of Israel...if they impose the next war on Israel, it will be their last. I would like to emphasize again: It will be their last confrontation because we will completely destroy them.”
The last time Israel fought Hamas was in the seven-week Operation Protective Edge, in which 2,101 people died in the Gaza Strip. According to UN figures, at least 1,460 of those killed in Israeli air raids and ground operations were civilians. Israel lost 64 soldiers in the operation, in addition to seven civilians killed in Israel by rocket attacks.
Remember, Hamas fired rockets into Israel from school grounds, hospitals, and other civilian occupied facilities for the express purpose of drawing Israeli fire which they knew would result in civilian casualties. Hamas sacrificed over a thousand civilians, including children, for the sake of propaganda. They started the offence and then made themselves look like victims. That is typical Islamic terrorist propaganda.
“If Hamas stops digging tunnels, rearming and firing rockets, we will lift the blockade and build the port and airport by ourselves,”
Avigdor Lieberman, Minister of Defense, Israel
Lieberman promised to lift the blockade on Gaza and help rebuild destroyed infrastructure if Hamas ceases its military activities against Israel.
“If Hamas stops digging tunnels, rearming and firing rockets, we will lift the blockade and build the port and airport by ourselves,” he said.
That sounds like an amazing deal! Why doesn't Hamas take them up on it? Why don't they test them on it, even for just a couple years while Israel is rebuilding Gaza's airport and seaport? The answer is obvious - Hamas does not want peace and prosperity for Gazans; they want death for Jews at whatever the cost. Two years of peace with Israel would be terrifying to Hamas - their under-the-table paychecks from Iran would stop, and the people might actually like peace and prosperity rather than the constant stream of hatred shoved down their throats by Hamas.
In response to the defense minister's statements, Hamas leader Fathi Hammad said the movement is “in no way afraid and this is a powerful message from Gaza to Lieberman,” AP reported.
Despite the relative calm between Hamas and Israel, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades – Hamas' military wing which has alleged ties to Iran – continues to carry out regular rocket attacks against southern Israel. While most of the projectiles fall in deserted areas, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) continues to retaliate against the attacks, striking Hamas targets in Gaza air raids.
Gaza and the West Bank, which are divided by the Israeli state, comprise of territories claimed by the Palestinians as the State of Palestine. While both territories fall under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, Gaza, unlike the West Bank, has been ruled by Hamas since June 2007, after the group came to power in free elections a year earlier.
'Free elections', right!
While Hamas hinders negotiations of a two-state solution by refusing to recognize Israel, the Palestinian Authority and its Fatah party are pushing for international recognition of the state of Palestine along the 1967 lines.
That is the 'pre-1967 6 day war' lines, 6 days before Israel was attacked on three sides by Muslims trying to annihilate the Jews for the second time in 20 years. Remember, Israel returned the entire Sinai Peninsula, an area twice the size of Israel, to Egypt. They proved that Egypt couldn't attack them from the Sinai, so they had no need of it. But Syria can attack Israel from the Golan Heights, and Jordan from the West Bank, so why would they surrender control over land they won in a war when it makes them much more vulnerable to attack? Have you ever heard of that before?
In his Monday interview, Lieberman said that a two-state solution to the conflict is possible based on land swaps – included in proposals earlier voiced as part of the solution to resolve the decades-old conflict. The defense minister also said he is critical of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
But when asked whether he is ready to negotiate with Hamas, Lieberman responded that there is nothing to discuss.
“I cannot speak with someone who declares every day that he hates me and threatens to destroy the state of Israel and drive us into the sea,” he said.
Meanwhile, the Palestinian foreign ministry accused Lieberman of spreading lies in order to continue Israeli occupation and settlements.
What lies is he referring to?
“Lieberman declares himself to be in favor of a two-state solution while taking pride in being a settler and legitimizing the continued building of settlements and the Judaization of the West Bank and East Jerusalem,” the ministry said in a statement, as quoted by Haaretz.
'Taking pride in'? Need I repeat, 'The defense minister also said he is critical of Israeli settlements in the West Bank'!
The ministry also accused Lieberman of “trying to explain away his carrot-and-stick policy with a web of lies that won’t be believed by the Palestinian people.”
Test him on it! Your biggest fear is that they will believe.
Peace is a nightmare scenario for Jew haters
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