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Showing posts with label Rouen. Show all posts
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Wednesday, August 10, 2016

Radicalization Test Ridiculed on Twitter

‘Radicalization test’ ridicule: Anti-terrorism proposal by French official sparks Twitter barrage
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A high school ‘radicalization detection test’ is the latest proposal to fight terrorism from one French official – with the suggestion causing outrage online, but also spawning a large amount of ridicule.

Ridicule is infectious, almost viral, on Twitter, and is not a good measure of the real attitudes of the general population. I have written before that there has to be a way to separate radicalized people from society in general - they are a ticking time-bomb. I have also suggested that such a test should be employed for every immigrant who enters any western country.

The method of testing is questionable and the cause of some ridicule. Who is going to be tested and how will they be identified? Will their friends turn them in? They should! Who will determine if someone meets the criteria required to be tested? Why would a radicalized Muslim agree to be tested?

I might suggest that people identified through social media or by their friends, be investigated through social media. The answers to all the questions posed by M. Didier can probably be found there. 

Then there is the question of how one goes about de-radicalizing someone. It's not like common sense or feelings of mercy and compassion have any relevance to a radicalized Muslim. They are essentially sociopathic and can't relate to other's feelings.

Still, I believe M. Didier is onto something and I hope he is able to persuade the government to take it seriously.

Geoffroy Didier, vice president of the council of the Paris region and member of the Republican party, first announced the suggestion on France 1, before using his Facebook page to expand on the idea. 

“I offer to detect radicalization of young people as early as possible to stop this process, and to be able to protect the teenager, the family and society. In particular, I suggest creating a ‘radicalization test’ for any youth enrolled in a college or high school whose behavior has been identified as a concern by the educational community.”

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The test would be in the form of an interview between the student and a psychologist to estimate the ‘radicalization risk’, and would include questions “to confirm or contradict the existence of an Islamic radicalization process,” Didier added in his Facebook message.

The questions could include the following: “Do you refuse sports activities on the pretext that they are mixed?” “How would you describe the recent attacks in France?” “What do you think of jihad?” and “Have you ever viewed videos or websites calling for Jihad?"

Should the test prove ‘positive’, the teenager’s parents “will be informed, and psychological as well as educational support will be implemented immediately, to halt the radicalization process.”

Didier said the student will then have to be tested to assess the progress of the ‘de-radicalization’. If the process doesn’t go as planned, the school will have to inform law enforcement authorities.

After the French official’s comments emerged online, hundreds of users took to Twitter, mainly to express their outrage over the suggestion, and mostly with a liberal sprinkling of humor.

“Do you regard your classmates as ‘unfaithful dogs’? [Answers]: A lot / Average / Not really,” one user joked about the possible questions for the test.

“I’m eating merguez [a North African sausage dish] and going to Hammam this afternoon. Should I take the radicalization test?” another user said.

“Those who take couscous at the canteen will automatically be flagged under the ‘file S’ [dangerous for national security],” a user posted.

Some users even came up with their own questions for the test, complete with answer options.

“When you can’t fall asleep, you like: a) counting sheep b) to strangle sheep.”

"When you need to get somewhere 2 kilometers away, you:
a) walk there
b) go by bike
c) rent a 19-ton truck."

Many wondered if ‘Islamization’ could be found by taking a blood or urine test, too. Others posted the ‘test-related’ pictures.

“Geoffroy Didier proposes a radicalization test. The first question: which photo do you prefer?”














“Jihad: do you find it cool?”




Didier’s suggestion comes about two weeks after an attack on a church in northern France in which two attackers slit an 86-year-old priest’s throat, also taking people hostage during a mass.

Both turned out to be French citizens, with one of them raised in the town of Sainte-Etienne-du-Rouvray, where the attack happened, and the other having grown up just outside the town.

Monday, August 1, 2016

French Muslims Attend Mass, Pray with Catholics over Priest's 'Barbaric' Murder

This is a good sign from Muslims in France even if only a couple hundred were involved. It clearly reveals that there are Muslims who genuinely want peace and some level of sanity in their world. What percentage they represent is the question, and are they ready to clean up Islam in France?

Hervé Lionnet•July 31, 2016
Iman Sami Salem (L) and Imam Mohammed ben Mohammed (R) stand during a mass in the church Santa Maria in trastevere in Rome on July 31, 2016 (AFP Photo/Tiziana Fabi)
Iman Sami Salem (L) and Imam Mohammed ben Mohammed (R) stand during a mass in the church Santa Maria in trastevere in Rome on July 31, 2016 (AFP Photo/Tiziana Fabi)

Rouen (France) (AFP) - Muslims attended Catholic mass in churches around France on Sunday in solidarity and sorrow following the brutal jihadist murder of a priest, the latest in a string of attacks.

More than 100 Muslims were among the 2,000 faithful who packed the 11th-century Gothic cathedral of Rouen, near the Normandy town where two jihadi teenagers slit the throat of 85-year-old Father Jacques Hamel.

Mass in Rouen Cathedral on July 31, 2016 (AFP Photo/Charly Triballeau)
Mass at Rouen Cathedral 31 July 2016

"I thank you in the name of all Christians," Rouen Archbishop Dominique Lebrun told them. "In this way you are affirming that you reject death and violence in the name of God."

Police officers stand guard during mass in Saint-Denis Cathedral on July 31, 2016 (AFP Photo/Dominique Faget)

A few policemen and soldiers stood guard outside but did not conduct searches, seeking to reassure a jittery population after the second jihadist attack in less than a fortnight.

In the southern city of Nice, where a jihadist carried out a rampage in a truck on July 14, claiming 84 lives, local imam Otaman Aissaoui led a delegation of Muslims to a Catholic mass.

"Being united is a response to the act of horror and barbarism," Aissaoui said.

Notre Dame church in southwestern Bordeaux also welcomed a Muslim delegation, led by the city's top imam, Tareq Oubrou.

"It's an occasion to show (Muslims) that we do not confuse Islam with Islamism, Muslim with jihadist," said Reverend Jean Rouet.

Muslims were responding to a call by the French Muslim council CFCM to show "solidarity and compassion" over the priest's murder on Tuesday.

Muslims across France were invited to participate in Catholic ceremonies on July 31, 2016 following the murder of a priest by jihadists (AFP Photo/Charly Triballeau)Said a woman wearing a beige headscarf who sat in a back pew at a church in central Paris: "I'm a practising Muslim and I came to share my sorrow and tell you that we are brothers and sisters."

Giving her name only as Sadia, she added softly: "What happened is beyond comprehension."

At the Saint Leger church in the northern city of Lens, around 30 Muslims attended mass wearing T-shirts emblazoned with messages such as, "Terrorism has no religion or identity".

Except 99% of all terrorists are Muslim.

Father Hubert Renard told the congregation: "We are not alone; our Muslim brothers are here too."

Many were moved to tears during the sign of peace, a regular part of the liturgy when the faithful turn to greet each other in the pews, either shaking hands or kissing.

Muslims also attended Catholic masses in Italy, notably at Rome's Santa Maria di Trastevere church, in response to a call by the Sant'Egidio community known for its international mediation efforts. Other joint services were held in Milan, Naples and Palermo, Sicily.

The killing of Father Hamel fanned fears of religious tensions in France and renewed recriminations over perceived security lapses.

Both of the 19-year-old attackers -- Adel Kermiche and Abdel Malik Petitjean -- had been on the intelligence services' radar and had tried to go to Syria.

- Jihadist's cousin charged -

Prime Minister Manuel Valls called Sunday for a new "pact" with the Muslim community in France, Europe's largest with around five million members.

Also Sunday, dozens of prominent Muslims published a joint letter pledging: "We, French and Muslim, are ready to assume our responsibilities."

I suggested a way to help motivate them to assume their responsibilities just this morning.

Meanwhile, Petitjean's 30-year-old cousin was charged with "criminal association in connection with terrorism", the Paris public prosecutor said.

The suspect, named as Farid K., "was fully aware of his cousin's imminent violent action, even if he did not know the precise place or day," the prosecutor said in an earlier statement.

Media reports say Petitjean and Kermiche met through the encrypted messaging app Telegram.

In a separate case Sunday, 20-year-old Jean-Philippe J. was charged with trying to travel to Syria with Petitjean last month.